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		<title>by: Looking forward &#187; Eric Stoller&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/12/02/real-racism/#comment-23133</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] The fall term at Oregon State University provides an example of this idea of doing nothing but saying that we are looking forward type of thinking. In the fall term, OSU&#8217;s community was focused on two separate racist incidents. A student wearing blackface was featured on the front of the campus newspaper (ensuing conversations, editorials, and Facebook groups underscored a campus climate that is not bereft of racism) and a noose was hung in the yard of an OSU fraternity. Both incidents received a lot of press and generated several meetings amongst campus community members. An official statement from President Ray was issued in November. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The fall term at Oregon State University provides an example of this idea of doing nothing but saying that we are looking forward type of thinking. In the fall term, OSU&#8217;s community was focused on two separate racist incidents. A student wearing blackface was featured on the front of the campus newspaper (ensuing conversations, editorials, and Facebook groups underscored a campus climate that is not bereft of racism) and a noose was hung in the yard of an OSU fraternity. Both incidents received a lot of press and generated several meetings amongst campus community members. An official statement from President Ray was issued in November. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: A Black White Man &#124; &#8220;The Race Card&#8221; vs. &#8220;Real Racism,&#8221; part eight: Eric Stoller on &#8216;real racism&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/12/02/real-racism/#comment-22285</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] <a href="http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/12/02/real-racism/" >http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/12/02/real-racism/</a> [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: SarahMC</title>
		<link>http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/12/02/real-racism/#comment-20220</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 03:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>First of all, malice needn't be present in order for something/someone to be racist.  It simply is not implied in the definition (&lt;a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism"&gt;"racism"&lt;/a&gt;).  It is entirely possible to pre-judge without intending to do so.  Many people who consider white the "normal" or "default" race don't think that way &lt;em&gt;maliciously&lt;/em&gt;.  Still racist.

But insisting that you refuse to "walk on eggshells" when someone calls attention to how hurtful your actions have been IS MALICIOUS. 

If, as you claim, racism consists only of those actions that are intended to cause harm (it does not), what does it mean when you dismiss people who try to educate you about harmful actions that come from ignorance?  Is it not racist to claim that you just don't have the time or will to have consideration for people who are not white?  Basically you are saying that black people's POVs and experiences don't matter.  

It would probably do you some good to actually listen to black people talk about their experiences with racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, malice needn&#8217;t be present in order for something/someone to be racist.  It simply is not implied in the definition (<a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism">&#8220;racism&#8221;</a>).  It is entirely possible to pre-judge without intending to do so.  Many people who consider white the &#8220;normal&#8221; or &#8220;default&#8221; race don&#8217;t think that way <em>maliciously</em>.  Still racist.</p>
<p>But insisting that you refuse to &#8220;walk on eggshells&#8221; when someone calls attention to how hurtful your actions have been IS MALICIOUS. </p>
<p>If, as you claim, racism consists only of those actions that are intended to cause harm (it does not), what does it mean when you dismiss people who try to educate you about harmful actions that come from ignorance?  Is it not racist to claim that you just don&#8217;t have the time or will to have consideration for people who are not white?  Basically you are saying that black people&#8217;s POVs and experiences don&#8217;t matter.  </p>
<p>It would probably do you some good to actually listen to black people talk about their experiences with racism.
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		<title>by: Eric Stoller</title>
		<link>http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/12/02/real-racism/#comment-17841</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Joseph Orosco, a philosophy professor at Oregon State University, has a post on his site titled, "&lt;a href="http://engagepodcast.blogspot.com/2007/11/its-only-racism-when-i-say-it-is.html"&gt;It's only racism when I say it is&lt;/a&gt;." It definitely addresses the same themes as my post and may provide additional insights to this discussion...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph Orosco, a philosophy professor at Oregon State University, has a post on his site titled, &#8220;<a href="http://engagepodcast.blogspot.com/2007/11/its-only-racism-when-i-say-it-is.html">It&#8217;s only racism when I say it is</a>.&#8221; It definitely addresses the same themes as my post and may provide additional insights to this discussion&#8230;
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		<title>by: FinanceBuzz</title>
		<link>http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/12/02/real-racism/#comment-17831</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dennis,

This is such a weak argument that I probably should not even respond.

1.  Even tangentially comparing getting offended at someone's dress for a football game and rape is completely meaningless.  Though less jaw-dropping but equally inapplicable is the comparison to having the wallet taken.  In both cases, a crime as committed.  Regardless of what one does to make commission of that crime easier, more inviting, etc. it is sitll a crime and the ultimate blame lies on the perpetrator.  Sure, maybe you should be wise to lock your house to avoid a burglary and you did not help your case, but someone still broke a moral and legal code by coming in and taking your stuff whether the house was locked or not.  Someone dressing up for a football has no intention of doing harm to anyone else, so these comparison are irrelevant.

2.  Based on this response and others I have seen here, we are supposed to try to remedy situations where someone is offended/hurt/etc. even if there was no intent.  Where is the line?  What if my existence as a conservative, Christian, white male offends someone?  Do I owe someone a remedy?  What my neighbor is offended by the color I paint my house because it brings back a bad memory of an old girlfriend. Do I owe them some type of remedy?  Should I have to repaint my house because they were offended?  Can you see the problem with the assertion you are making here?  If there is no intent, yet someone manages to link something completely unrelated to something they find offensive, then where is the line?  And how can &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; be held responsible for a connection that &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt; make?

I agree with changing society where change is needed.  But I do not think we need to be walking around on eggshells, modifying everything we do, because someone finds some connection to something they find offensive.  

Here is the bottom line and it may be a bit insensitive on the surface.  You have no right to NOT be offended.  I do have a right to express myself.  Your non-right cannot trump my right.  I understand that we should be careful how we use our rights if that directly is done to cause pain, but that is not the case in the example we are discussing.</description>
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<p>This is such a weak argument that I probably should not even respond.</p>
<p>1.  Even tangentially comparing getting offended at someone&#8217;s dress for a football game and rape is completely meaningless.  Though less jaw-dropping but equally inapplicable is the comparison to having the wallet taken.  In both cases, a crime as committed.  Regardless of what one does to make commission of that crime easier, more inviting, etc. it is sitll a crime and the ultimate blame lies on the perpetrator.  Sure, maybe you should be wise to lock your house to avoid a burglary and you did not help your case, but someone still broke a moral and legal code by coming in and taking your stuff whether the house was locked or not.  Someone dressing up for a football has no intention of doing harm to anyone else, so these comparison are irrelevant.</p>
<p>2.  Based on this response and others I have seen here, we are supposed to try to remedy situations where someone is offended/hurt/etc. even if there was no intent.  Where is the line?  What if my existence as a conservative, Christian, white male offends someone?  Do I owe someone a remedy?  What my neighbor is offended by the color I paint my house because it brings back a bad memory of an old girlfriend. Do I owe them some type of remedy?  Should I have to repaint my house because they were offended?  Can you see the problem with the assertion you are making here?  If there is no intent, yet someone manages to link something completely unrelated to something they find offensive, then where is the line?  And how can <em>I</em> be held responsible for a connection that <em>you</em> make?</p>
<p>I agree with changing society where change is needed.  But I do not think we need to be walking around on eggshells, modifying everything we do, because someone finds some connection to something they find offensive.  </p>
<p>Here is the bottom line and it may be a bit insensitive on the surface.  You have no right to NOT be offended.  I do have a right to express myself.  Your non-right cannot trump my right.  I understand that we should be careful how we use our rights if that directly is done to cause pain, but that is not the case in the example we are discussing.
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