Comments on: Native Americans in AZ http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/08/12/native-americans-in-az/ | social justice | higher education | technology | Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:16:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.7 by: Imagine (zefrank.org) http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/08/12/native-americans-in-az/#comment-14024 Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:19:17 +0000 http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/08/12/native-americans-in-az/#comment-14024 Well. Native American peoples are among the fastest growing populations in the US today. Qualified Native Americn individuals may attend several high-quality universitys, gratis, so long as they can show proof of tribal affiliation. There are many law suits pending to advance justice in the face of vast historical wrongs. . . All this is good news. Yet, you can't legislate emotion. That some people are upset that other people want to stop them from persuing their goals, well, that sounds normal to me. What? Should they have been pleased? Personally, I don't feel especially warm toward married white middle aged men. I suspect that I make them nervous as well. But the rule of law (more than it used to, at least) prevails. You can't tell me who to like, but you can say that I must sell my house to any quaified buyer, even if he is a white married male =8-) As well, he must sell his house to *me* if I can afford it. He doesn't have to like me. Well. Native American peoples are among the fastest growing populations in the US today. Qualified Native Americn individuals may attend several high-quality universitys, gratis, so long as they can show proof of tribal affiliation. There are many law suits pending to advance justice in the face of vast historical wrongs. . . All this is good news. Yet, you can’t legislate emotion. That some people are upset that other people want to stop them from persuing their goals, well, that sounds normal to me. What? Should they have been pleased? Personally, I don’t feel especially warm toward married white middle aged men. I suspect that I make them nervous as well. But the rule of law (more than it used to, at least) prevails. You can’t tell me who to like, but you can say that I must sell my house to any quaified buyer, even if he is a white married male =8-)
As well, he must sell his house to *me* if I can afford it. He doesn’t have to like me.

]]> by: vegankid http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/08/12/native-americans-in-az/#comment-13974 Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:38:24 +0000 http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/08/12/native-americans-in-az/#comment-13974 oops... that first line should read: "doesn't mean that it stopped hundreds of years ago." heh. oops… that first line should read: “doesn’t mean that it stopped hundreds of years ago.” heh.

]]> by: vegankid http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/08/12/native-americans-in-az/#comment-13973 Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:37:10 +0000 http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/08/12/native-americans-in-az/#comment-13973 just because we only learn (marginally at that) about the genocide of Native people that happened hundreds of years ago means that it stopped hundreds of years ago. I'd suggest reading folks like Andrea Smith or Winona LaDuke. It was within the lifetime of many folks alive today that Native wimmin were sterilized without their consent and that children were taken from their parents and assimilated into White culture. To this day, the government continues to break treaties. Native people suffer higher rates of unemployment than any other group.... Genocide didn't end when school books stopped talking about Native people. just because we only learn (marginally at that) about the genocide of Native people that happened hundreds of years ago means that it stopped hundreds of years ago. I’d suggest reading folks like Andrea Smith or Winona LaDuke. It was within the lifetime of many folks alive today that Native wimmin were sterilized without their consent and that children were taken from their parents and assimilated into White culture. To this day, the government continues to break treaties. Native people suffer higher rates of unemployment than any other group…. Genocide didn’t end when school books stopped talking about Native people.

]]> by: FinanceBuzz http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/08/12/native-americans-in-az/#comment-13895 Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:55:55 +0000 http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/08/12/native-americans-in-az/#comment-13895 I do agree that the events of 100 years ago do impact their lives. I do not want to leave the impression that I do not recognize that. But I still stand by the point that they do not have personal experience of the extreme treatment that their forefathers received. I do back to points I have made in other threads on this general topic. While the land that Indians controlled in the 1800s may have been taken inappropriately, how can you justify going to the landowner in 2007, who had no role in those actions, and say "This land that you bought and paid for - get off." That is punishing the not guilty. That is why I say we have to deal with the situation as it is today. We can attempt to rectify past wrongs where that is reasonably feasible, but that may not always be an available avenue. I do agree that the events of 100 years ago do impact their lives. I do not want to leave the impression that I do not recognize that. But I still stand by the point that they do not have personal experience of the extreme treatment that their forefathers received. I do back to points I have made in other threads on this general topic. While the land that Indians controlled in the 1800s may have been taken inappropriately, how can you justify going to the landowner in 2007, who had no role in those actions, and say “This land that you bought and paid for - get off.” That is punishing the not guilty. That is why I say we have to deal with the situation as it is today. We can attempt to rectify past wrongs where that is reasonably feasible, but that may not always be an available avenue.

]]> by: judgesnineteen http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/08/12/native-americans-in-az/#comment-13893 Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:35:29 +0000 http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/08/12/native-americans-in-az/#comment-13893 "They were not alive over a hundred when all the terrible things were going on. " Just because those events happened a long time ago doesn't mean their effects are not still felt today. I didn't live then, I didn't fight any Native Americans, but that doesn't mean that I don't still benefit from land that was taken from them and that they don't still have to deal with a lot of unfair things. So to act like that nasty stuff is all in the past and we should just start fresh with the way things just <em>happen</em> to be in 2007 is not going to lead to fair treatment. “They were not alive over a hundred when all the terrible things were going on. ”

Just because those events happened a long time ago doesn’t mean their effects are not still felt today. I didn’t live then, I didn’t fight any Native Americans, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t still benefit from land that was taken from them and that they don’t still have to deal with a lot of unfair things. So to act like that nasty stuff is all in the past and we should just start fresh with the way things just happen to be in 2007 is not going to lead to fair treatment.

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