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		<title>by: Eric Stoller</title>
		<link>http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/07/13/more-on-privilege/#comment-16136</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I would add that privilege is often invisible to those who have it.</description>
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		<title>by: mila</title>
		<link>http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/07/13/more-on-privilege/#comment-16121</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 01:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>why is privilege often invisible?</description>
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		<title>by: FinanceBuzz</title>
		<link>http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/07/13/more-on-privilege/#comment-13365</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I know this discussion has kind of waned and I am not trying to stir it up again.  However, I did come across an article at CFO.com that touched on some of the things we discussed.  So, offered without comment is that article.

&lt;a href="http://www.cfo.com/article.cfm/9531132/c_9545526?f=TodayInFinance072607"&gt;Breaks and Ladders: Female employees need different career paths&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this discussion has kind of waned and I am not trying to stir it up again.  However, I did come across an article at CFO.com that touched on some of the things we discussed.  So, offered without comment is that article.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cfo.com/article.cfm/9531132/c_9545526?f=TodayInFinance072607">Breaks and Ladders: Female employees need different career paths</a>
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		<title>by: Susan</title>
		<link>http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/07/13/more-on-privilege/#comment-13290</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey, I just discovered your site. Very interesting! This is difficult to talk about, yes? My questions are these;

 Is it really the thing to 'give up unearned advantage' or would it not be more valuable to give everybody the same advange. As in, if you're white and male you have a certain street cred at work before you do one thing. Well, should we not grant everyone respect at the jump --until and unless they blow it? I think so. . .  and I do know that there's more to it than that. There always is, but I feel that may be a valid point. 

And, the thing about women and money. There is a leetle problem of associated problems. Do not men, white or otherwise, have a distinct disadvantage in the societys expectation of fatherhood (a relationship mostly about money) vs. motherhood ( more likely to get custody, money not an expectation). I feel that, to a certain extent, my non-maleness has been advantageous. I mean, if I were a man, my partner would probably have gotten custody of my son, and I'd probably be paying a boatload of child support to a person who, likely, would not be particularly supportive of my relationship with my son. The point of all this is to illustrate that white men do not have every advantage (I know, I know, they do have a bunch though!). Just sayin'.

Thanks for the soapbox!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I just discovered your site. Very interesting! This is difficult to talk about, yes? My questions are these;</p>
<p> Is it really the thing to &#8216;give up unearned advantage&#8217; or would it not be more valuable to give everybody the same advange. As in, if you&#8217;re white and male you have a certain street cred at work before you do one thing. Well, should we not grant everyone respect at the jump &#8211;until and unless they blow it? I think so. . .  and I do know that there&#8217;s more to it than that. There always is, but I feel that may be a valid point. </p>
<p>And, the thing about women and money. There is a leetle problem of associated problems. Do not men, white or otherwise, have a distinct disadvantage in the societys expectation of fatherhood (a relationship mostly about money) vs. motherhood ( more likely to get custody, money not an expectation). I feel that, to a certain extent, my non-maleness has been advantageous. I mean, if I were a man, my partner would probably have gotten custody of my son, and I&#8217;d probably be paying a boatload of child support to a person who, likely, would not be particularly supportive of my relationship with my son. The point of all this is to illustrate that white men do not have every advantage (I know, I know, they do have a bunch though!). Just sayin&#8217;.</p>
<p>Thanks for the soapbox!
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		<title>by: FinanceBuzz</title>
		<link>http://ericstoller.com/blog/2007/07/13/more-on-privilege/#comment-13077</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Eric,

On your classes, if they have these discussions on all this privilege and such and the stories I have heard here and elsewhere about these types of college courses are accurate, then I will take a finance course over that any day of the week! :)  As for how my characterization of [Insert Group] Studies classes are inaccurate or manufactured:

1.  I did take some non-engineering and finance courses.  They were not geared toward some promotion of white males or white people in general.  The only way these classes could have been characterized as such would have been the fact they dared to talk about white people in a non-negative light.  As for manufactured, despite all the discussion here, I have little hard evidence of this rampant, systematic privilege that y'all keep talking about.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Umm. I still don’t get why you need to label me (broken record play on play on)…and who is “we”?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Now you are playing word games.  You may had a point on liberal or left wing as your blog has not dealt with the entire political spectrum.  However, I made clear that I am talking about people who are some vigil for this concept of "privilege."  The term "privilege police" was simply a tongue-in-cheek manner of expressing this.  I suspect you were completely aware of to what I was referring.  Similarly, "we" simply means society at large.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;Nail meet head, head meet nail. Removing unearned privilege is not about extracting something, it’s about giving back something that was never earned.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, as we have extensively discussed, I have most definitely earned what I have so to attempt to take any of that away in some effort to reverse "privilege" would, in fact, be extracting a price for an offense I have not committed.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I feel that this is victim blaming.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I have not seen the victims yet.  Most of the discussion has centered on alleged victims of some vast privilege concept.  I fail to see the support for this, at least not to the degree that you are portraying, thus I cannot consider everyone victims.  Incidentally, you have touched on another concept that I feel is far too prevalent in our society and is likely linked to the way on personal responsibility - victimhood.</description>
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<p>On your classes, if they have these discussions on all this privilege and such and the stories I have heard here and elsewhere about these types of college courses are accurate, then I will take a finance course over that any day of the week! <img src='http://ericstoller.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   As for how my characterization of [Insert Group] Studies classes are inaccurate or manufactured:</p>
<p>1.  I did take some non-engineering and finance courses.  They were not geared toward some promotion of white males or white people in general.  The only way these classes could have been characterized as such would have been the fact they dared to talk about white people in a non-negative light.  As for manufactured, despite all the discussion here, I have little hard evidence of this rampant, systematic privilege that y&#8217;all keep talking about.</p>
<blockquote><p>Umm. I still don’t get why you need to label me (broken record play on play on)…and who is “we”?</p></blockquote>
<p>Now you are playing word games.  You may had a point on liberal or left wing as your blog has not dealt with the entire political spectrum.  However, I made clear that I am talking about people who are some vigil for this concept of &#8220;privilege.&#8221;  The term &#8220;privilege police&#8221; was simply a tongue-in-cheek manner of expressing this.  I suspect you were completely aware of to what I was referring.  Similarly, &#8220;we&#8221; simply means society at large.  </p>
<blockquote><p>Nail meet head, head meet nail. Removing unearned privilege is not about extracting something, it’s about giving back something that was never earned.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, as we have extensively discussed, I have most definitely earned what I have so to attempt to take any of that away in some effort to reverse &#8220;privilege&#8221; would, in fact, be extracting a price for an offense I have not committed.</p>
<blockquote><p>I feel that this is victim blaming.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have not seen the victims yet.  Most of the discussion has centered on alleged victims of some vast privilege concept.  I fail to see the support for this, at least not to the degree that you are portraying, thus I cannot consider everyone victims.  Incidentally, you have touched on another concept that I feel is far too prevalent in our society and is likely linked to the way on personal responsibility - victimhood.
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